i know some of you are not going to appreciate this and it probably won't start a movement that will affect a change but it will make me feel better to rant.. i find it very distracting to have moving graphics in the field of text, where we are supposed to be reading.
perhaps many of you are used to listening to the radio while studying for a test, as i have often seen depicted on tv, presumably in humor.
it may be humorous but it is not conducive to actual retention and meaningful meditation.
Argh! I can't resist! I love the animations! but then I'm kind of 'artsie fartsie.'
And yes, those jumpy animations can cause some problems, but I'm tired of being a drone! give me some color! give me something fun to look at! amuse me! Mrs R
Sean - from Rocky - buy a new computer or get a better ISP...or whatever, 'cuz I like those animations LB posted!
has anyone got 'the list' of assemblies for canada?
if it was posted already, i missed it.
thanks.. ss
Here are the addresses:
CORNWALL, ON Ed Lumley Arena, Cornwall Civic Complex, 100 Water St. E.
SELKIRK, MB Selkirk Recreation Complex, 180 Easton Dr.
Sorry it too me so long to reply. Our daughter had a graduation celebration this weekend - had a house full of relatives, almost all still loyal to the WT. Didn't have a chance to touch the computer, let alone visit with my apostate friends online.
has anyone got 'the list' of assemblies for canada?
if it was posted already, i missed it.
thanks.. ss
I don't remember if anyone has posted this so here it is, straight from the February 15, 2002 WT.
June 14-16: Calgary; Cornwall, ON; Dartmouth, NS; Nanaimo, BC; North Bay, ON
June 21-23: Cornwall, ON; Grande Prairie, AB; Kitchener, ON; Moncton, NB; Vancouver, BC, Victoria, BC
June 28-30: Cornwall, ON; Kitchener, ON; Prince George, BC; Saskatoon, SK
July 5-7: Edmonton, AB; Hamilton, ON Polish sessions also; Kamploops, BC; Kitchener, ON Spanish only; Montreal QC Arabic only; Mount Pearl, NF; Quebe City, QC French only
July 12-14: Brampton, ON Chinese only; Hamilton, ON; Kamloops, BC; Sherbrooke, AC French only
July 19-21: Brampton, ON Italian only; Slkirk, MB; Sherbrooke, QC French only;
July 26-28: Brampton, ON Portuguese only; Selkirk, MB; Sherbrooke, QC French only; Surrey BC Spanish only
Holler if you need addresses.
as most of you know, i am an 'undercover brother' (someone who appears to be an exemplary jw but is making strides on escaping).. my wife is a loyal jw.
since we had the book study last night i needed to tape the show.
(by the way, my wife knows about my doubts...).
Persecuted for righteousness sake. Hmmmm. "The Christian, however, must be certain that what he suffers is really for a righteous cause." Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2 page 610. This paragraph also cites 1 Peter 2:11,12 about maintaining our "conduct find among the nations, that, in the thing in which they are speaking against you as evildoers, they may as a result of your fine works of which they are eye witnesses glorify God in the day for his inspection." Since when is child molesting righteous? Secular courts have had enough evidence to convict the accused. So these ones do not fit the scriptural definition of 'persecuted for righteousness sake.' What of the Watchtower Society itself? If their policy and procedure for handling pedophiles allows reproach to come on the Organization is this 'persecution for righteousness sake'? I don't think so. The bottom line is still what would be the loving thing to do? Is it loving to ignore innocent children? If handled properly, an accusation of child molestation need not become public knowledge until the point that there is proof and yet the child's welfare is protected, reputations are not soiled. But the proper authorities need to be allowed to investigate. Bill Bowen and Barbara Anderson should be applauded for trying to initiate a change in policy. Wouldn't it be a good idea for loving shepherds, which is what the elders are supposed to be, to receive training to handle these matters? Isn't that what Jehovah and Jesus would want? How many more will be stumbled because those placed in positions of authority within Jehovah's Witnesses have mistreated the flock. Who are really bringing reproach on God's name? Hmmmm......
i've only just been told of a case of suspected child abuse at the local hall.. the child (aged 4) was alone with the abuser.
she told her mother, who told the elders.
the elders and mother immediately informed the police, despite the fact that there was only one witness - the child.. then the elders proceeded to inform families in the congregation so that they can be on their guard.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to ask people who are already mandatory reporters how reporting works? Teachers, counselors, doctors, etc. are already mandatory reporters. There are laws protecting this confidential information from the public. So if a person is accused the only people who know are the investigators and the victim (the victim's family). Usually, at least in my little area of the world, there is an investigative team of law enforcement and mental health professionals who persons who have received years training..sometimes a guardian is appointed to advocate for the child victim. None of this becomes public unless there is sufficient evidence to bring the matter to court and charges are filed. These cases are very, very, very difficult to bring to trial. BTW, for mandatory reports working in mental health, the penalties for breaching confidentiality (releasing information to people not involved in the investigation) are in the thousands of dollars and possible jail time. And yes, I know that JW elders have trouble keeping things confidential.
"Loose lips sink ships."
this was prepared and presented far better than i could have ever imagined.. to all you individuals that stood up to goliath.
i am so proud to be in assoication with such strong people.. thank you bill for your efforts and willingness to put a name and face in front of the cameras spearheading this effort.. thank you dateline.
is it too early to look for a sequel?
Kismet - we e-mailed Dateline before we read this post. Your suggestion to e-mail sponsors is an excellent.
To Bill, Barb Anderson, Erica, Pandelos, and everyone else that helped bring this issue to the public: You all rock!
as of 1 pm today barb anderson was notified that she has been disfellowshipped in writing by the judicial committee in her congregation.
barb was df in absentia at a second hearing that was declared after she successfully defended herself against charges in the first hearing.
home office came back with further instructions to make it stick the second time around.
Barb - I work at a mental health clinic that provides services to victims of sexual assault. I have been keeping all the counselors and administrators informed of the silent lambs issue. They will all be tuned in to tonight's program. I e-mailed them the Dateline e-mail announcement for tonight's program with the following introduction:
"I think we are taping this if anyone misses it. This is big disturbing news for the JW community. Many loyal to the Watchtower hold that the people being interviewed are "apostates" or anti-Jehovah's Witness. I have met many of the people covered in this story. They are not evil. I am risking my own relationship with family and a few friends by being vocal about this issue. But I feel that protecting children is more important. Thank you for your support."
We love you Barb.
Mr and
said the two older "sisters" at my door not more than one hour ago.. a nice conversation ensued that left them not able to answer questions, and had them falling back to the tried and true 'hovah belief that "we have the truth" b.s.. i swear that i could actually see the mental blinders closing over their eyes as i explained things they did not know.
frustrating, yet very predictable.. they had the balls to say not to believe everything i read!
i ask them the same question about their religion.
NWT Bible are softer, as are the pages of the Aid Book, Make Sure...think they compost better in the outhouse too.
'dateline' to feature othello sex abuse case .
this story was published 5/28/2002.
by shirley wentworth.
I heard a rumor that it was dismissed because of a paperwork technicality...
has been blacklisted......told by one of my jw friends on the other side of adelaide that that was said in his congregations public talk yesterday.. p.s.
anyone know what offspring song jw's were warned against listening to???
i vaguely remember it was on their 'smash' album (it's either the song that goes "..demons in my head.." or the one called genocide).
Oh dear, back in the day when I was still a teenager, my roomies and I had to throw away our Earth, Wind, and Fire album - it had Egyptian hieroglyphics on it, was inviting the demons. Then about 10 years back I was playing the intro to Stairway to Heaven (beautiful music!) at some social gathering (someplace where there was a piano) and a ministerial servant told me I shouldn't be playing that music, it was a no-no, not approved for Dubs in good standing. Don't forget KISS - knights in Satan's service, for obvious reasons. IMO all non Kingdom melody music (even Beethoven) was discouraged! Broke my heart when they removed the piano from the Kingdumb Hall. Canned music...ick!
